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10 Points to Consider Before Buying Cedega   
Saturday, September 04 2004 @ 09:51 PM CDT
Contributed by: jvm

LinuxDan 'theoddone33' Olson has put together a list of ten critical observations that every potential Linux gamer should consider before buying Transgaming's WINE-based product Cedega (formerly WineX). With Dan's permission, as this is a potentially more appropriate forum, it is mirrored below. Perhaps Dan's even tone will be more appealing than a certain more shrill curmudgeoning.

This document aims to be a summary of the major issues we see with TransGaming and Cedega. While not everyone may agree with every point, we are convinced that these are things that need to be confronted before subscribing to Cedega. You are free to reproduce this document in an unmodified form. If you wish to provide a link back to this page, that would be nice as well. Comments go to theoddone33@timedoctor.org.

  • Performance

    Cedega is designed to maximize compatibility with Windows games. However, many users find that their favorite games work poorly in Cedega, if at all. While TransGaming offers voting services to determine the most popular games, there are still hundreds of games that are not playable in Cedega. For games that are not officially supported by TransGaming, users may find that the performance of Cedega is "hit or miss."


  • Pricing

    TransGaming charges $5 a month for the use of the commercial version of Cedega, yet makes a development version freely available. The commercial version has additional support for games that use copy-protection methods such as SafeDisc, among other features. The commercial version of Cedega requires a minimum subscription of 3 months, and all games that it can be used with must be purchased separately.


  • Progress

    TransGaming's list of supported titles has not grown significantly since the first release of WineX in 2001. Today, less than 10 games have been given a 5-star rating, meaning that they can be expected to run without problems. Many games run with only minor annoyances, but they are not officially supported. TransGaming has also been criticized for slow release times, with 3 month subscriptions starting and ending without seeing a new release.


  • Potential

    TransGaming has stated that their goal is 100% compatibility with Windows games. However, it is highly improbable that they will ever attain this goal. Windows and Direct3D are in active development, and TransGaming developers will always be playing a game of "catch-up", while at the same time trying to find and fix current bugs in Cedega. In a sense, Cedega's destiny is tied to Microsoft as much as it is tied to TransGaming.


  • Priorities

    While TransGaming still offers Cedega to Linux gamers for the time being, it is clear that their primary interests reside elsewhere. They actively produce titles for Mac OSX, and their website advertises plans to support XBox and PS2 in the future. TransGaming has stated that no income from Cedega subscriptions is used to fund their other ventures, but while their finances may not be divided, the same cannot be said of their interests.


  • Promises

    TransGaming began with the promise to release their changes to the Wine project under an "open" license when the number of subscribers reached 20,000. Shortly after this, they introduced code into the project which they are not able to release openly due to contractual obligations. While the current number of subscribers has not been publically announced, it is doubtful that TransGaming would be able to release all of their changes when this milestone is reached. TransGaming has, however, given code back to Wine at various times.


  • Packaging

    While TransGaming offers a free development version of Cedega, they have repeatedly threatened Linux distributions that have offered packages of it to their users. Debian and Gentoo have both withdrawn packages of the development version of Cedega at the request of TransGaming, who stated that they would no longer offer the free version if it was packaged by third-party Linux distributions.


  • Portability

    TransGaming advertises Cedega as the world's foremost portability solution, and they claim that it can be used to migrate applications seamlessly between platforms such as PC, PS2, and even PDAs. These claims are sketchy for a variety of technical reasons. One example is that most PC games use over 100M of memory, while the PS2 has only 32M of main RAM. Cedega's strategy of reinterpreting runtime calls is likely to add more overhead than it can reduce, and is not sufficient for this task.


  • Propaganda

    For as long as TransGaming has had a website, it has been filled with dubious claims about the company, about the game industry, and about porting software. Unsurprisingly, most of these claims paint TransGaming in a positive light. However, many of them fail to hold up under scrutiny. While one hopes that this is simply the result of poor research, it is very easy to suspect otherwise.


  • Prevention

    There is speculation that Cedega discourages both users and companies from investing in native Linux versions of popular games. Many feel that the running a PC game with Cedega does nothing to indicate to publishers that there is a market for Linux games. TransGaming has stated that Cedega leads to increased acceptance of Linux as a desktop operating system. However this claim is debatable, as Cedega is of primary interest only to those who already use Linux regularly and reboot to Windows for playing games.




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Once again, the database is not a good indication of the number of games that work
Authored by: Pacula on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 09:15 AM CDT
As I've said previously, you can NOT use the database as an indication of how many games are working perfectly or near-perfectly. The database is not being updated anymore and is extremely out of date, and many of the games listed as non-working actually work very well now.

I personally have been able to run dozens of games with Cedega without any issues whatsoever. Many many more will run without only tiny problems that don't affect the game much at all. The fault isn't with Cedega, but rather with the games database, which is in desperate need of an update.


In my opinion...
Authored by: EMRenegadeS on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 06:12 AM CDT
I know Cedega can be a little "flakey," but for me it's ridiculous to the point of ending my good fun. I haven't successfully installed ONE game with it despite numerous game-specific tutorials.

Well personally, I think Cedega(well, the focus of gaming with Wine) was an awesome idea that went to the wrong people. Anyways, Transgaming shouldn't have tried to SELL their product 'cause it just friggin' pissed off a lot of Linux users(particularly ones like myself who would smite Microsoft if given the chance and who bask in the free, open-source sun). Perhaps if the source were turned back over to the community and Transgaming ceased being greedy then 100% 5-star compatibility won't seem so impossible. And with millions of Linux users all having different favorite games, I'm sure mods made to Cedega will eventually be compiled into one super-emulator(much like the idea behind the Fedora packages).
I can't believe that you've gotten NO games to work
Authored by: Pacula on Monday, September 06 2004 @ 07:47 AM CDT
What games have you tried? Are you using the binaries or are you compiling from CVS? If you're using CVS, that's likely the problem - there are a LOT of features that aren't in CVS, and it's also notoriously difficult to get set up properly. If you can't get -anything- working, it's extremely likely that you're doing something wrong with setting up the CVS build.

As for 'they should make it free', that's hogwash. Even if they -wanted- to, they can't - the full version contains a lot of code that TG licensed from outside sources that they aren't allowed to make public. And why should they have to make it free anyway? Trying to sell a product does not make a company 'greedy', and complaining about the price of something as inexpensive as a $15 three-month subscription just makes you look like a cheapskate. Besides, I don't see you or anyone else demanding demanding the source code for the games themselves so they can be ported, which would be the easiest way to get them working in Linux.
Sounds like Bleem! to me
Authored by: fuji8bit on Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:14 PM CDT
This smells a lot like Bleem, which ran lots of PS games, some better than others, but eventually fell into the "cool thing to show my friends" rather than "way I want to play my games".

Here are reasons to own Cedega:

1) Geek Demo Factor
2) Hate Microsoft Factor
3) Would rather play around with games than play games factor

And of course, as the article already points out, Cedega does *NOTHING* for Linux gaming. When you buy Anarchy Online (windows edition), no one cares what OS you're running it on. You just bought windows software. That's all game publishers see.

Still Waiting for Linux Gaming --

fuji8bit
10 Points to Consider Before Buying Cedega
Authored by: sdsheppa on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 02:32 PM CDT
Let me first say that i've used cedega now for over a year and i find your artical a little off base on a few of your clames.

Point 1: Performance

I dont know about what games you have tried but a number of games that i have run via winex/cedega run just as well if not better than the native installs on my windows partition. Starwars Galaxies is one as is Anarchy Online. Both run exeptionaly well under cedega.

Point 2: Pricing

I dont know but i pay more for mmorpg's than i do for my subscription. Five bucks is a hell of alot cheaper than 12-15 for most mmorpgs, and i get a lot more options on game play. And wah you have to buy the game in addition to the subscription... you had to buy the game to play it under windows so nothing to cry about there

Point 3: Progress

Your information is out of date. Cedega now suports more than the old database says. 3 of the biggest ones to date are Starwars Galaxies, Anarchy Online, and Doom3, but there is support backing for Battlefeild Veitnam, BF:1942, Steam, and more. Heck doom and AO are both working due to USER SUBMITED patches. That is why there is still a CVS version in the first place.

Point 4: Potential

Of course it's tied to MS as much as it is to TG. And yes TG will allways be playing catch up with MS but it's better than just sittin on our thumbs waiting for companies to see that gamers are looking for ways to build their boxes without windoze. I know a number of gamers at quakecon were amazied when i had my box up running CS, quake3, RTCW, BF:V, and UT2004 all in linux. The only reason i didnt have doom running under linux via cedega was because a 1.4ghz box already had a hard time in windows with it.

Point 5: Priorities

No one knows the internal workings of TG other than TG workers.

Point 6: Promises

Sure they made that promis when they opened up shop in 2001 but guess what. That was before the main tree of wine went from the aladin licence to the gpl. This is also the reason why TG hasnt taken any of the work that the main branch of wine and implemented it into their code because it would violate the gpl to keep any part of their code closed then. TG has since submited patches back to the rewind project which is the wine project that maintains the aladin licence and is also the project that Crossover also is submiting patches to.

Point 7: Packaging

If that is the way you want to look at it then lets also talk down about ID software also. iD also requested that gentoo remove packages that had to deal with their games. The dev team for gentoo came up with a work around with iD though by making a way to force the end user to read (well put it up so we can if we feel like it) the EULA. In the case of TG though, the CVS is ment to be a test bed not the actual product. The only reason they ended up saying anything is because they had a large number of ppl emailing wanting support for the cvs version.

Point 8: Portability

I dont know much about this one because they havent released anything on any other platform other than linux and MOS:X. For me it's a case of dont knock it till you see it for yourself.

Point 9: Propaganda

Fact: Other than ID, Epic, and bioware, No one sees linux as a viable market.
Fact: if it wasnt for TG we wouldnt have the chance to play some of the games we can under linux under linux

Point 10: Prevention

To me it seems the groups you should go after are the linux gamers who have to reboot... u know why? Because their going to be the ones who tell their friends that play some of the same games that they dont have to uses windows (and get rid of extra cost of it at the same time). I know 3 ppl who since the 4.0 release has stoped rebooting because they can play their games in linux with no head ache.

10 Points to Consider Before Buying Cedega
Authored by: Baines on Sunday, September 05 2004 @ 04:10 PM CDT
Considering that the main complaint I've always heard about TransGaming is their lack of working games, with people citing their own database, why don't they bother to update it? It might actually make them more attractive to subscribers if it looks like the thing actually worked.
10 Points to Consider Before Buying Cedega
Authored by: Nezin on Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 12:50 AM CDT
I like to point out 3 of the games you listed run native in Linux. Quake 3, RTCW and UT2k4.
Retorts and Support
Authored by: Beagle on Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:43 PM CDT
Point 2: Pricing and Point 3: Progress

I can purchase 'doze for $7. One shot. That's a lot cheaper than $5/month. When I had a subscription, in the 3 months I had paid for, I think I received 1 email notifying me of updates to the product I was paying for. Considering that the product is not anywhere near a "perfect" state, despite the number of games it supports, it is unaccpetable to me, as the consumer, to pay for such slow improvement.

The number of games it supports are clearly mainstream, popular games. But this is exactly why we who love OSS hate the closed-minded lock-boxed developers. There are a vast number of gamers who do not play the mainstream games. If Cedega could be open-sourced, these gamers, who may have the drive and expertise to, would not only build support for their favorite games, but contribute overall to the entire product.

There's nothing wrong with charging for service. It's a wonderful model. But when a grossly imperfect product is being sold, and much of the support offered is "oh, we don't support that yet. We're working on it though.", this is the anti-thesis of the philosophy behind free software, and should be carefully considered.

Point 5: Priorities

Well put.

Point 7: Packaging

It is fallacious to attempt to drag down other parties for similar actions. It is not a valid to defend TG by saying "Well, ID did it too."

Point 9: Propaganda

Well put.
RE: 10 Points to Consider Before Buying Cedega
Authored by: mike.duncan on Monday, September 27 2004 @ 09:41 PM CDT
My biggest beef with Transgaming is that they require a no-cd for about 60% of most modern games they "support". Its funny really, you ask for support on Warcraft 3 and its either a no-cd crack and/or [re]move the Movies folder. Ridiculous!

I wrote a /. post a while back expressing my rants about Transgaming. They post source that is not the same as the production code (usually lacking by a couple of weeks/months) and then get on the backs of distributions who want to include the "freely" distributable code with their distro. Seems to me they are intentionally trying to make it hard on individuals who want to use Cedega outside of subscription.

I mean, what is the sense of buying $15 if you are just going to have to use no-cd cracks to get the game working anyways. Might as well use the cvscedega.

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Yeah but where do you go to ?
Authored by: TheMESMERIC on Monday, October 25 2004 @ 01:39 PM CDT
Tuxgames has the most foul support ever.
You pay a high price and you are left on your own to guess how to make their crappy installation-wrapper work.

The saddest thing for the Linux Gaming Community was the day LokiGames closed down.

Just imagine if they existed now - how many titles we would have.
Most native games we get are still from the Loki days.

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